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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jan 23, 2012 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

Both these relatively new sources from these amazing shows are worth checking out. They sound excellent. To my ears, Pig's harmonica is a tad too dialed up, and it sounds better with the high end treble turned slightly down. Otherwise, there is significantly less hiss on these recordings compared to the original sources, and the clarity and instrument separation is very praiseworthy.

It's probably been about a year since I last gave these shows a listen. I just started listening to them again, and I'd just like to point out how amazingly awesome the Death Don't Have No Mercy and Schoolgirl from the 11/11 show are. Seriously, stop what you're doing and listen to them now! You will thank me. These 2 shows capture the GD at their peak!

The 11/10 source is only part of the show unfortunately, and everything is mislabeled. The name of the song playing will actually be the song listed above. For example, what is labeled as Morning Dew is actually It Hurts Me Too. The 11/11 show has a Caution that is not on any previous source though. Also, the songs from reel #2 sound the best.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1967-11-10.116368.sbd.motb-0172.flac24

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1967-11-11.116369.sbd.motb-0173.flac24


And...
Is this really the 1st live Dark Star? Is this source completely new to circulation?
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1967-11-14.116173.sbd.motb-0174.flac16

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2012-01-23 17:55:11

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Jan 24, 2012 2:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

Do you really think the Grateful Dead peaked in November 1967?

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jan 24, 2012 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

"Do you really think the Grateful Dead peaked in November 1967?"

I was being a bit vague with that. I find that their abilities peaked from 1967 through about halfway into 1969. If I had to narrow it down to one year, 1968 was their peak. They were on fire throughout that whole year.

Then again, when I'm in the mood for the their tighter, jazzy material, I'd say end of '73 and a good part of '74 was their peak for that particular sound.

I don't like to compare '60s Dead to '70s Dead as they are just way too different (except when they were transitioning to their '70s sound, parts of '69, '70, and '71 can be compared to each other). It's ultimately a matter of preference. Both eras really are just as good (assuming you stop at '74).

So I actually think they had 2 peak periods. The first from around '67 - '69, and the second around '72 '- '74. Of course '70 and '71 are amazing too though.

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2012-01-24 14:45:00

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Jan 24, 2012 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

In reality, they probably peaked in 1989. However, I find that it all rolls into one.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jan 24, 2012 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

Interesting. Well regarding the Brent era, I find their playing continued to improve from 1989 into Spring of 1990 with that Spring tour possibly being the best tour they did with Brent. Summer of '89 was pretty amazing too though.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2012 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

Dip into this one, young Jared.

http://www.archive.org/post/338198/the-first-live-dark-star-september-3-1967


And hello.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jan 23, 2012 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

Oh, hey there Rob. Good to see you around, and thanks for pointing me to that interesting snippet. I'm quite familiar with that show, but I suppose I didn't listen closely enough in the past to pick that up.

I was somewhat hoping for a snarky critical remark from you, but a friendly greeting was a pleasant surprise. This place has been too peaceful lately, and consequently not too exciting. Just so you know, you are partially to blame for that. You must be pretty busy lately eating haggis, playing bagpipes, and keeping your fair skin out of the sun (I think that's what you people do all day) :P

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2012 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

'you people'?

Really?

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jan 23, 2012 4:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

What's wrong? Too offensive?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 23, 2012 4:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

Too lazy.

:-p

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jan 23, 2012 4:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

Ehh, what do you expect? I come from the laziest generation of Americans to date.

I wouldn't fault you for consuming too much alcohol and fried fish.

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2012-01-24 00:29:03

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 24, 2012 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

Oy, whippersnapper! I can be held to account for many things but over consumption of alcohol and fried fish don't feature high on the list (not unless you count fish sauteed in butter and herbs as just some kind of smartass frying of course...).

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jan 24, 2012 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

Oy vey, old coot! Twas merely a lazy attempt at humor, pointing out the stereotype that Scots drinks heavily and love fried fish.

I was just listening to something that reminded me of the DS snippet you posted. Check out 6:15 – 7:27 on Alligator (Track 9):
http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-08-21.sbd.cotsman.17355.sbeok.shnf

I know I've heard the GDTRFB tease a few times in '60s shows, but I'm not sure if this is the first one. This version of Alligator with a nice jam sandwiched in between is also one of my favorite versions. Nothing tops 03/16/68 though.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 23, 2012 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

I posted a little about these before:
http://www.archive.org/post/404208/somewhat-spruced-up-67s

While the Shrine shows have less hiss than the older transfers, they're not as much of an improvement as a remix of the Vault 8-tracks would be. The source reels here are the same as on the older transfers.
The "new" Caution on 11/11 is actually the same one that was on the old 11/10 copy.

11/14/67 is, of course, an overdubbed studio track - basically the single version minus vocals & a few other dubs. Not at all live. It's been in circulation forever, but this transfer does sound miles better than the older sources.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jan 23, 2012 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

Cool, thanks! I guess I missed that thread. It would be so nice to have all the '60s Dead correctly labeled and organized. Maybe in heaven God gives everyone access to sonically perfect recordings of every '60s show, perfectly labeled, and I'll get to hear all those versions of Viola and other gems that have been lost forever. It's nice to dream.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 23, 2012 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2 Great New Sources From '67, AND... 1st Dark Star?

I don't think that Dark Star is live. I think that is a studio recording. So yes technically it was live in a studio but not the first live performance in front of an audience. A source for that has circulated for awhile. It would seem that the first performance was in December '67 and unfortunately no recordings seem to circulate. I think the earliest that circulates is 1-17-68.

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